Ben Sasse, R-NE, Questions Kathleen Sawyer Over Jeff Epstein’s Death and Believes it was to Silence Epstein. It Should be Nothing New to Nebraska.

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Republican Senator Ben Sasse summed up the frustrations of Americans in pointed questioning of the new Federal Bureau of Prisons Director Kathleen Sawyer in the extremely suspicious death of Jeffrey Epstein.  Some key takeaways:

  • The FBI seems to have confiscated some documents that were in Jeffrey Epstein’s cell.  Could this be the reason he died?  Were these documents (if they existed) Epstein’s ultimate blackmail collection?
  • There are three investigations into Epstein now:  two based on his death in the prison + the original one that put him in the prison.
  • The FBI is investigating a “criminal enterprise” in association with Epstein’s death.  (Sawyer said this to Senator Lindsey Graham earlier in questioning).


Here’s the link to the video, WordPress won’t accept CSPAN code.

Here’s the transcript:

Sasse:  “Dr. Sawyer, can you think of any other incidents in the history of the BOP that have caused as much crisis for trust for institution as Epstein’s death?”

Sawyer:  “I can only speak for the.. since 1976, when I joined the Bureau, I don’t know prior to that, but I would probably say it’s gotten the most public attention.” 

Sasse:  “There are lots of taxpayers and citizens who’ve never thought about the BOP.    And you have lots of good, patriotic, hardworking folks there.  I get that.  But in terms of a crisis of public trust, in general but also in terms of your work force, this death happened in the middle of August, early August.  It’s Thanksgiving.  And you’re here to testify today and you say you’re not allowed to speak about this incident.  I think that’s crazy.  Can you distinguish among types of investigations at least for us.  Because I’m aware of at least 3 Epstein investigations.  You’ve got a whole bunch of women who were raped by this guy.  This is a sex trafficking ring in the United States.  This guy had evidence.  He’s got co-conspirators, and there are victims out there who want to know where the evidence has gone?  Can you tell us a little bit more about the different investigations?  I understand there’s at least one that you’re directed by Main Justice not to speak about.  But there are at least three investigations.  Can you unpack them please?”

Sawyer:  “There are two investigations that are ongoing.  One is the FBI’s investigation, and the other is the Inspector General’s investigation.”  

Sasse:  “Both inside BOP.  But there’s a third one, outside, which is why Epstein was in your institution to begin with.”

Sawyer:  “That sir is completely out of my…”

Sasse:  “I get that.  There’s a lot here were DOJ has failed.  There’s a lot where BOP has failed.  Let’s just be clear, so we have a level set for everybody in this room.  You’re here, in your job, because of this crisis.  Right?  You come here today, and you say you can’t testify about it, but the reason you’re Director now, is because the last guy got fired, right?”

Sawyer:  “Senator, I can’t tell you what I don’t know.  I have received no information from the FBI investigation yet, nor no information from the Inspector General.  Once those entities go into one of our facilities, we are forbidden from talking to anybody in the institution.  We can send in a team and look at wherever there might have been a security flaw or something, but we are not allowed to talk to anybody in our institutions about anything that happened over the Epstein…”

Sasse:  “With all due respect, you still have an obligation to speak to the girls who were raped by this guy today.  You may not have to speak about every particular of the guards that  were arrested last night, but the fact that there is an ongoing attempt by the United States government to find out if there’s still any evidence about the co-conspirators, you do have an obligation to speak to those girls who were raped today.  You may not speak about the specifics of the charges against those two guards this morning who were taken into custody, but more broadly you should be able to unpack, have we changed any processes about how cases like this are handled?  It’s been more than 90 days, and you said, I think your quote was, ‘we treat every inmate the same.’  We believe in America that every individual has equal dignity, but not every inmate has equal value for future criminal investigations.  Jeffrey Epstein was still to testify in a case.  Somebody who’s already been convicted, who may be on suicide watch, there are lots of good reasons to not want that guy to be able to kill himself.  This is different.  Because isn’t just about the individual inmate who might kill themselves, it’s about the fact that that bastard wasn’t able to testify against his other co-conspirators.  So it is wrong, as a management matter, for you to say we treat everybody the same.  We should be treating people who are yet to testify against other felons, against other rapists… they have a lot more priority for your institution, don’t they?”

Sawyer:  “Senator, all of our, pretty much all of our inmates that are in any of our facilities are pre-trail.  They are still yet to testify, to be involved, to share information on other cases.  I don’t know what evidence you’re asking of me.  If you’re saying was there any evidence in his room, in his possession at the time?   That was all confiscated by the FBI.”

Sasse:  “No, in his brain.  And in the cameras and in the tapes that the American public well understands, appear not to be urgent enough for the Department of Justice.”

Sawyer:  “No, it’s very urgent for the Department of Justice and it’s all been confiscated by the FBI and it’s all part of their investigation.  That’s why none of that is shared with the Director of the Bureau of Prisons or anyone in the Bureau until the investigations are completed.  Once those are completed, I’d be very happy to come up here and talk to anyone of you that want to hear everything we glean from those investigations.  But until I have that information, there’s nothing I can tell you.  If I don’t have the information, I cannot share anything with you.”  

That’s pretty much the end of the exchange between Sasse and Sawyer on Epstein.

The Jeff Epstein scandal has all the same elements that the Franklin, Nebraska scandal had.




Extremely suspicious deaths that look like they were to cover up evidence?   CHECK

In early July 1990, Caradori phoned Senator Schmit. "We've 
got them!" he exclaimed about some new evidence he had just 
developed. "There's no way they can get out of it now!" He 
and his son Andrew ("A. J.") would be flying to Chicago for 
the All-Star Game the weekend of July 7-8, he told Schmit. 
Caradori was going to do a little investigating on the side and 
would review the new evidence with the senator, upon his 
return the following Wednesday. 

On that Wednesday morning, July 11, 1990, Senator Schmit 
was in his office, talking with a journalist about the Franklin 
investigation. He related the numerous threats received by him- 
self and Caradori, and Caradori's evaluation of those threats. 
"It's unlikely that they would kill you or me, Loran, because 
that would be too obvious," Gary had said once, "But then 
again, you never know." 

At about 10:30 a.m., Senator Schmit took a phone call. He 
listened for a moment, appeared shaken, and said, "Oh, my 
God, no!" After asking a few questions, he hung up, tears in 
his eyes. "Gary's dead." 

It happened at 2:30 a.m. on July 11, when Gary and AJ. 
were flying back to Lincoln, Nebraska from Chicago. A farmer 
in Lee County, Illinois reported that he saw a flash of light, 
heard an explosion, and saw a plane plunge to the ground. The 
Caradoris were killed, the plane's wreckage scattered over 
three-quarters of a mile. The eyewitness account of a flash of 
light and an explosion was on the early edition of television 
news in Nebraska, but got pulled from subsequent reports, 
which said that the plane exploded on impact. 

Connections to the White House?  CHECK

At the center of the excitement was Larry King. Draped over him 
like a blanket throughout the evening was a heavyset woman, 
who 1 learned was Maureen Reagan, the president's daughter.
Last year she met V.P. George Bush and saw him again at 
one of the parties Larry gave while on a Washington, D.C. 
trip. At some of the parties there are just men (as was the 
case at the party George Bush attended)-older men and 
younger men in their early twenties. Nelly said she has seen 
sodomy committed at those parties.

Flabbergasted conservative Republican politicians from Nebraska?  CHECK

Loran Schmit, R NE

Loran Schmit, Nebraska State Senator, 1969 – 1993:  “It has shaken my faith in the institutions of government.  I used to be firm believer that the system would work, and that people who did things wrong would be punished.”

Media Coverup?  Like with ABC?  CHECK

The above video, Conspiracy of Silence, never aired, although it was meant for television.

Conspiracy of Silence, a documentary listed for viewing in TV Guide Magazine was to be aired on the Discovery Channel, on May 3 1994.  At the last minute before airing, unknown congressmen threatened the TV Cable industry with restrictive legislation if this documentary was aired. Almost immediately, the rights to the documentary were purchased by unknown persons who ordered all copies destroyed.

Both the Epstein and Franklin, Nebraska scandals are a result of the same blackmail network.  This blackmail network controls the White House if possible.  END






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