Prince Andrew thinks his use of conspiracy terms “pizza” and “adrenaline” will protect him.

When it comes to guilt by association, it doesn’t get much worse than frequent involvement with Jeff Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, as Prince Andrew is finding out. Andrew recently stepped down from his “public duties” (whatever that means, I’m an American). He’s agreed to speak to the FBI, but won’t fly to the U.S. because he thinks he may be arrested.

Public Duty

The charges against Epstein thus far have amounted to statutory rape and human trafficking for that purpose.  We still don’t know how bad this scandal is, however.  There’s a growing sense that the scandal includes some of the worse crimes imaginable.

I like to be “facts-based,” and the evidence on these conspiracy theories has been a little thin to blog on up until now.  That was before Prince Andrew’s November 11 interview (full text here) where he made deliberate references to the conspiracy theory buzzwords “pizza” and “adrenaline,” drawing reference to “pizzagate” and “adrenochrome.”  Just the simple fact that Andrew mentioned pizza and adrenaline so prominently in this interview while denying any knowledge or involvement with Epstein is noteworthy. First let’s look at his use of the word adrenalin.

Andrew: “I had suffered what I would describe as an overdose of adrenalin in the Falkland’s War when I was shot at and I simply…it was almost impossible for me to sweat.”

Is Andrew saying that he can’t sweat in the literal sense, or the figurative one? Not only does it seem like an odd subject of conversation, there is reporting of Andrew actually sweating well after the military conflict between Argentina and Britain occurred over the Falkland Islands.

On April 3, 2018, “QAnon,” whoever or whatever that is, published some photos and made claims that there were underground facilities on Little St. James Island.  This led to the “adrenochrome” theory, that victims were terrorized and murdered to harvest a hallucinogenic substance that your body produces under tremendous stress.  

I couldn’t dismiss this theory as nonsense because when I was researching the relations of the Clintons to Epstein and Maxwell, I found these February 12, 2000 photos of Andrew, Trump, Maxwell, Epstein, and Melania, and they appear to be under the influence of some type of drug. 

Maralago, February 12, 2000.
From left, American real estate developer Donald Trump and his girlfriend (and future wife), former model Melania Knauss, financier (and future convicted sex offender) Jeffrey Epstein, and British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell pose together at the Mar-a-Lago club, Palm Beach, Florida, February 12, 2000. (Photo by Davidoff Studios/Getty Images)

October 31, 2000 is another date where Trump and Melania have the same goofy look on their face. Just so happens that Prince Andrew was with them. Just so happens that Prince Andrew was with Ghislaine Maxwell this day too, and is wearing the same suit.

I researched the history of “adrenochrome.”   In 1950, Dr. Humphrey Osmond is credited with discovering adrenochrome.  Osmond found that adrenaline had a similar molecular structure to mescaline.  He said an overproduction of adrenalin was associated with schizophrenia and determined that vitamin B3 aided in recovery.  Osmond, along with writer Alduous Huxley, first coined the term “psychedelic.”

In 1951, Osmond left England for Canada where his research was subsidized by the Rockefeller foundation.  They experimented with LSD, mescalin, adrenalin precursors and derivatives, and later published the results of their studies.  They had a very interesting conclusion.  “We concluded that LSD did not act as an hallucinogen per se but that it induced an increase in the production of adrenochrome which was the hallucinogen.”  

It’s hard for most people to believe that prominent politicians and VIPs would be involved in torture and murder.  I believe it’s possible because when I researched Bohemian Grove to separate facts from rumor, I couldn’t escape the conclusion that human sacrifices had occurred there as part of a blackmail operation.  There’s just too much information there over too long a period of time from too many sources.  Nevertheless, I couldn’t bring myself to say anything about adrenochrome until Prince Andrew mentioned adrenaline.

Yes this is where your politicians hang out.

Further still, a former IT contractor for Epstein on Little St. James Island reported that he saw a room full of the same t-shirts, white Lacoste polo, size medium. The maids there said Epstein only wore one shirt a day and that the old one was cut into rags for the maids to clean with. It’s conceivable that this was done to provide an alibi for any DNA that might wind up on Epstein’s shirts.

On to Andrew’s use of “pizza.” The famous photo of Andrew, Ghislaine and Virginia was taken by Jeff Epstein with Virginia’s camera on March 10, 2001. Andrew doesn’t remember anything about that, but does remember going to get pizza on that very day. Andrew: “On that particular day that we now understand is the date which is the 10th of March, I was at home. I was with the children, and I’d taken Beatrice to a Pizza Express in Woking for a party.”

The interviewer asked, “Why would you remember that so specifically? Why would you remember a Pizza Express birthday and being at home?” Andrew replied: “Because going to Pizza Express in Woking is an unusual thing for me to do, a very unusual thing for me to do.”

Well alrighty then Andrew.

Pizzagate” has received plenty of attention thanks to Mike Flynn. It involves Hillary Clinton, Satanic rituals, and it even has its own wikipedia page.  Just briefly, in case you don’t want to click the link:

In November 2016, Michael T. Flynn, then on President-Elect Donald Trump’s transition team and Trump’s designate for National Security Advisor, posted multiple tweets on Twitter containing conspiratorial material regarding Hillary Clinton. They alleged that Clinton’s campaign manager, John Podesta, drank the blood and bodily fluids of other humans in Satanic rituals, which Politico says “soon morphed into the ‘#pizzagate’ conspiracy theory involving Comet Ping Pong.” On November 2, 2016, Flynn tweeted a link to a story with unfounded accusations and wrote, “U decide – NYPD Blows Whistle on New Hillary Emails: Money Laundering, Sex Crimes w Children, etc … MUST READ!”

None of this is court evidence, I know that. It’s just that when someone is getting anxious about being investigated and starts making references to other crimes, unfounded or not, that’s reason to believe that they are saying they will disclose evidence and not be prosecuted alone.

Bottom line: The FBI raided Little St. James Island.  Whatever happened there, they know it.  (Epstein was dead three days later).

Of course, the FBI has covered up for Epstein’s network for a long time.  As Virginia Roberts Giuffre said back in February 2015, “Based on my knowledge of Epstein and his organisation, as well as discussions with the FBI, it is my belief that federal prosecutors likely possess videotapes and photographic images of me as an underage girl having sex with Epstein and some of his powerful friends,” she said. 

Only serious pressure from the public and Congress can make the FBI tell us what they found on Little St. James Island.  

P.S. The NYPD was there too, though. Maybe they’ll tell us.



Ben Sasse, R-NE, Questions Kathleen Sawyer Over Jeff Epstein’s Death and Believes it was to Silence Epstein. It Should be Nothing New to Nebraska.

Republican Senator Ben Sasse summed up the frustrations of Americans in pointed questioning of the new Federal Bureau of Prisons Director Kathleen Sawyer in the extremely suspicious death of Jeffrey Epstein.  Some key takeaways:

  • The FBI seems to have confiscated some documents that were in Jeffrey Epstein’s cell.  Could this be the reason he died?  Were these documents (if they existed) Epstein’s ultimate blackmail collection?
  • There are three investigations into Epstein now:  two based on his death in the prison + the original one that put him in the prison.
  • The FBI is investigating a “criminal enterprise” in association with Epstein’s death.  (Sawyer said this to Senator Lindsey Graham earlier in questioning).


Here’s the link to the video, WordPress won’t accept CSPAN code.

Here’s the transcript:

Sasse:  “Dr. Sawyer, can you think of any other incidents in the history of the BOP that have caused as much crisis for trust for institution as Epstein’s death?”

Sawyer:  “I can only speak for the.. since 1976, when I joined the Bureau, I don’t know prior to that, but I would probably say it’s gotten the most public attention.” 

Sasse:  “There are lots of taxpayers and citizens who’ve never thought about the BOP.    And you have lots of good, patriotic, hardworking folks there.  I get that.  But in terms of a crisis of public trust, in general but also in terms of your work force, this death happened in the middle of August, early August.  It’s Thanksgiving.  And you’re here to testify today and you say you’re not allowed to speak about this incident.  I think that’s crazy.  Can you distinguish among types of investigations at least for us.  Because I’m aware of at least 3 Epstein investigations.  You’ve got a whole bunch of women who were raped by this guy.  This is a sex trafficking ring in the United States.  This guy had evidence.  He’s got co-conspirators, and there are victims out there who want to know where the evidence has gone?  Can you tell us a little bit more about the different investigations?  I understand there’s at least one that you’re directed by Main Justice not to speak about.  But there are at least three investigations.  Can you unpack them please?”

Sawyer:  “There are two investigations that are ongoing.  One is the FBI’s investigation, and the other is the Inspector General’s investigation.”  

Sasse:  “Both inside BOP.  But there’s a third one, outside, which is why Epstein was in your institution to begin with.”

Sawyer:  “That sir is completely out of my…”

Sasse:  “I get that.  There’s a lot here were DOJ has failed.  There’s a lot where BOP has failed.  Let’s just be clear, so we have a level set for everybody in this room.  You’re here, in your job, because of this crisis.  Right?  You come here today, and you say you can’t testify about it, but the reason you’re Director now, is because the last guy got fired, right?”

Sawyer:  “Senator, I can’t tell you what I don’t know.  I have received no information from the FBI investigation yet, nor no information from the Inspector General.  Once those entities go into one of our facilities, we are forbidden from talking to anybody in the institution.  We can send in a team and look at wherever there might have been a security flaw or something, but we are not allowed to talk to anybody in our institutions about anything that happened over the Epstein…”

Sasse:  “With all due respect, you still have an obligation to speak to the girls who were raped by this guy today.  You may not have to speak about every particular of the guards that  were arrested last night, but the fact that there is an ongoing attempt by the United States government to find out if there’s still any evidence about the co-conspirators, you do have an obligation to speak to those girls who were raped today.  You may not speak about the specifics of the charges against those two guards this morning who were taken into custody, but more broadly you should be able to unpack, have we changed any processes about how cases like this are handled?  It’s been more than 90 days, and you said, I think your quote was, ‘we treat every inmate the same.’  We believe in America that every individual has equal dignity, but not every inmate has equal value for future criminal investigations.  Jeffrey Epstein was still to testify in a case.  Somebody who’s already been convicted, who may be on suicide watch, there are lots of good reasons to not want that guy to be able to kill himself.  This is different.  Because isn’t just about the individual inmate who might kill themselves, it’s about the fact that that bastard wasn’t able to testify against his other co-conspirators.  So it is wrong, as a management matter, for you to say we treat everybody the same.  We should be treating people who are yet to testify against other felons, against other rapists… they have a lot more priority for your institution, don’t they?”

Sawyer:  “Senator, all of our, pretty much all of our inmates that are in any of our facilities are pre-trail.  They are still yet to testify, to be involved, to share information on other cases.  I don’t know what evidence you’re asking of me.  If you’re saying was there any evidence in his room, in his possession at the time?   That was all confiscated by the FBI.”

Sasse:  “No, in his brain.  And in the cameras and in the tapes that the American public well understands, appear not to be urgent enough for the Department of Justice.”

Sawyer:  “No, it’s very urgent for the Department of Justice and it’s all been confiscated by the FBI and it’s all part of their investigation.  That’s why none of that is shared with the Director of the Bureau of Prisons or anyone in the Bureau until the investigations are completed.  Once those are completed, I’d be very happy to come up here and talk to anyone of you that want to hear everything we glean from those investigations.  But until I have that information, there’s nothing I can tell you.  If I don’t have the information, I cannot share anything with you.”  

That’s pretty much the end of the exchange between Sasse and Sawyer on Epstein.

The Jeff Epstein scandal has all the same elements that the Franklin, Nebraska scandal had.




Extremely suspicious deaths that look like they were to cover up evidence?   CHECK

In early July 1990, Caradori phoned Senator Schmit. "We've 
got them!" he exclaimed about some new evidence he had just 
developed. "There's no way they can get out of it now!" He 
and his son Andrew ("A. J.") would be flying to Chicago for 
the All-Star Game the weekend of July 7-8, he told Schmit. 
Caradori was going to do a little investigating on the side and 
would review the new evidence with the senator, upon his 
return the following Wednesday. 

On that Wednesday morning, July 11, 1990, Senator Schmit 
was in his office, talking with a journalist about the Franklin 
investigation. He related the numerous threats received by him- 
self and Caradori, and Caradori's evaluation of those threats. 
"It's unlikely that they would kill you or me, Loran, because 
that would be too obvious," Gary had said once, "But then 
again, you never know." 

At about 10:30 a.m., Senator Schmit took a phone call. He 
listened for a moment, appeared shaken, and said, "Oh, my 
God, no!" After asking a few questions, he hung up, tears in 
his eyes. "Gary's dead." 

It happened at 2:30 a.m. on July 11, when Gary and AJ. 
were flying back to Lincoln, Nebraska from Chicago. A farmer 
in Lee County, Illinois reported that he saw a flash of light, 
heard an explosion, and saw a plane plunge to the ground. The 
Caradoris were killed, the plane's wreckage scattered over 
three-quarters of a mile. The eyewitness account of a flash of 
light and an explosion was on the early edition of television 
news in Nebraska, but got pulled from subsequent reports, 
which said that the plane exploded on impact. 

Connections to the White House?  CHECK

At the center of the excitement was Larry King. Draped over him 
like a blanket throughout the evening was a heavyset woman, 
who 1 learned was Maureen Reagan, the president's daughter.
Last year she met V.P. George Bush and saw him again at 
one of the parties Larry gave while on a Washington, D.C. 
trip. At some of the parties there are just men (as was the 
case at the party George Bush attended)-older men and 
younger men in their early twenties. Nelly said she has seen 
sodomy committed at those parties.

Flabbergasted conservative Republican politicians from Nebraska?  CHECK

Loran Schmit, R NE

Loran Schmit, Nebraska State Senator, 1969 – 1993:  “It has shaken my faith in the institutions of government.  I used to be firm believer that the system would work, and that people who did things wrong would be punished.”

Media Coverup?  Like with ABC?  CHECK

The above video, Conspiracy of Silence, never aired, although it was meant for television.

Conspiracy of Silence, a documentary listed for viewing in TV Guide Magazine was to be aired on the Discovery Channel, on May 3 1994.  At the last minute before airing, unknown congressmen threatened the TV Cable industry with restrictive legislation if this documentary was aired. Almost immediately, the rights to the documentary were purchased by unknown persons who ordered all copies destroyed.

Both the Epstein and Franklin, Nebraska scandals are a result of the same blackmail network.  This blackmail network controls the White House if possible.  END





Partying on the Run, the Lifestyle of Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein

Recently discovered photos by Patrick McMullan Co. of Ghislaine Maxwell give another glimpse into the lifestyle of the other half of the Epstein Blackmail Network.

The event “Green Goes with Everything” was hosted by Caryn and Jeff Zucker.  Despite the attendance of Trump’s future Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin, “Green Goes with Everything” refers to environmental practices, not money, with great tips like “Go to your bathroom and read the shampoo, makeup and moisturizer labels.  Ask yourself, ‘Do I really need scent in these products?’”

Green Ghislaine Katz


Jeffrey Epstein did not appear to be at the event, as he was not listed on the guest list. 

Green Guest list


Ghislaine Maxwell was not listed on the guest list either, however, and it’s only now that we know she was at this event 11 years ago.  Even though Epstein was largely able to come and go as he pleased under the terms of his sentence, it certainly would not have been a good idea for him to be photographed in public at a party just a few months after he began serving his time.   Come to think of it, I haven’t seen the Mnuchins in any of these pictures either.

Green, Trump, Melania, Caryn and Jeff Zucker 2008


Donald Trump was there though, along with his wife Melania, shown here with Jeff and Caryn Zucker.  Maybe this party wasn’t Epstein’s style anyway, as there don’t appear to be any scantily-clad models running around.  Just Sloan Barnett in front of her books pretty much.


Green, Sloan Barnett


Seriously, who knows what would bring Trump out on a night like this?

Maybe Ghislaine had more of a role in the Epstein Blackmail Network than we think.  Maybe she was in charge while Epstein was indisposed.  Maybe Trump and Mnuchin had to talk some business.

Epstein began his house arrest sentence July 1, 2008.   Sloan Barnett’s “Green Goes with Everything” event was held October 1, 2008.   

Mnuchin would later attend a party with Jeffrey Epstein hosted by David Koch in August of 2010.   Leon Black, Wilbur Ross, Richard Giuliani, and Julia Koch attended this party as well.  William Ross later became Trump’s Secretary of Commerce.  Rudy Giuliani became Trump’s “TV lawyer” and policymaker on Ukraine.  

At the 2010 Koch party, Ghislaine was the missing half of the Epstein/Maxwell duo.  Attorney Bradley Edwards was pursuing Ghislaine to give a deposition on behalf of victim’s of Epstein which he was representing in a lawsuit.   Edwards had served Ghislaine a subpoena “on Sept. 22, 2009 at 6:45 p.m. as she was leaving the Clinton Global Initiatives Conference.”   She managed to put it off until “On June 29, 2010, one day before (victim’s lawyer Brad) Edwards was due to fly to New York to take Maxwell’s deposition, her attorney informed Edwards that Maxwell’s mother was deathly ill and Maxwell was consequently flying to England with no intention of returning to the United States.” 

Ghislaine managed to attend the wedding of Chelsea Clinton on July 31, 2010 nevertheless.  She never gave a deposition.  



Trump didn’t give a deposition either, because Edwards said Trump was extremely cooperative in providing evidence to him outside of court.  Ghislaine and Trump go back a ways themselves- at least to the 50th Anniversary of Ford Modelling Agency Party on October 29, 1997 at SoHo Guggenheim in New York City.  The caption says “Heiress Ghislaine Maxwell tries to get Donald Trump to focus on the conversation as models saunter by.”  Seems more their style.



A closer look at Donald Trump’s Profound Betrayal of Jeffrey Epstein


I begin here with a review of Virginia Robert Giuffre’s testimony on 11/4/16, released August 9, 2019.  First I’m going to summarize what I believe the text demonstrates.  Then I’ll quote the text and highlight the text I think makes my points in bold.  I think I put enough text to show the context of the remarks I’ve highlighted, but I recommend that you read the full document here:

Churcher, deliberately or not, misrepresented Virginia Robert Giuffre’s numerous, and in part, friendly communications with her.  By twisting language and context, Sharon made it sound as though Virginia had given her first-hand information on an alleged helicopter flight piloted by Ghislaine Maxwell to Little St. James which included Bill Clinton, the Secret Service, and Virginia all as passengers.  (My take is that although Ghislaine likely did pilot Bill Clinton to Little St. James in a helicopter, also likely with the Secret Service, the effort of Sharon Churcher to place Virginia in the helicopter with Bill and the Secret Service is an effort to falsely imply that Virginia was abused by Clinton, something Virginia has strongly and repeatedly denied.) 

Further summary:  Sharon also attributed a quote to Virginia that Donald Trump “didn’t partake in any sex with any of us but he flirted with me.”  Virginia took issue with this statement attributed to her and testified in the referenced deposition that Donald Trump did not flirt with her, and “I can’t say who he had sex with in his whole life or not.” 

Sharon Churcher also reported that Virginia told her that she had seen Prince Andrew at Jeff Epstein’s home in New Mexico, and Virginia, in the referenced text, denied telling Sharon anything of the sort.

After the articles Sharon published involving Virginia were published, Virginia testified that the FBI interviewed her.  Note:  I can  find 3 articles in quick succession from Sharon Churcher referencing Virginia in the year 2011 on Feb 28, March 2, and March 5, but I have no way of knowing what the FBI thought or did not think of these articles.  The March 5 article is referenced in the Deposition as Exhibit 7, I believe.  In my opinion these articles which piqued the FBI’s attention, based on Sharon’s conversations with Virginia, exaggerated Virginia’s remarks involving Bill Clinton, exonerated Donald Trump in a way she testified that she did not do, and placed Prince Andrew at Epstein’s ranch in New Mexico, which that Virginia completely denied saying at all.  I’ll highlight the text below so you can decide, then I’ll move on.

Begin Page 436.

Q  Is there anything that you recall saying to Sharon Churcher that she then printed something different than what you had said to her?

A  Yeah, I’ve read stuff. I mean, I just — I can’t remember what, but I read something that I think was, Oh, she got that wrong. I can’t remember an exact example off the top of my head.

Q  Did you ever complain to Sharon Churcher about things that she got wrong?

A  I didn’t see a point. I might have, but I — I didn’t see a point really because it’s already printed, you know.

Q  You had a fairly voluminous set of communications with Sharon Churcher by e-mail, correct?

MS. MCCAWLEY: Objection.

A  Voluminous, like a lot of them?


A  Yes.

Q  And during any of those communications, do you know whether she printed things about you after you had any of those communications?

MS. MCCAWLEY: Objection.

A  I don’t know. I know a lot of stuff was printed, and I never really stopped to read who printed the article, or wrote the article, I should say. Sorry.

Q  (BY MS. MENNINGER) Okay. I’ll show you Defendant’s Exhibit 7.

(Exhibit 7 marked.)

THE DEPONENT: Thank you.

Q. (BY MS. MENNINGER) I’ll let you read through the statements on the first page there, and if there is anything that is not absolutely true, just put a check by it and we’ll come back to it.

A  It’s not very clear how she wrote it. “I flew to the Caribbean with Jeffrey and then Ghislaine Maxwell went to pick up Bill in a huge black helicopter that Jeffrey had bought her.” That wasn’t an eyewitness statement. Like, I didn’t see her do it. Ghislaine was the one who told me about that; that she’s the one who flew Bill.

Q  All right. If you just want to put a check by it, then we’ll just come back and talk about each one.

A  Okay.

Q  Just to move things along.

A  Okay. I have made three checkmarks.

Q  All right.

MS. MCCAWLEY: And I just — before you continue, I just want to identify for the record, since this doesn’t have any identifiers on it, are you representing that these are statements from Sharon Churcher?

MS. MENNINGER: I’m not representing anything. I’m asking the witness questions about these statements. I asked her is anything on here not true. That’s all I asked her.

Q  (BY MS. MENNINGER) So which ones did you put checkmarks by, Ms. Giuffre?

A  I’d have been — I’m sorry. “I’d have been about 17 at the time. I flew to the Caribbean with Jeffrey and then Ghislaine Maxwell went to pick up Bill in a huge black helicopter that Jeffrey had bought her.”

Q  Okay. And what else did you put a check by?

A   “I used to get frightened flying with her 3 but Bill had the Secret Service with him and I remember him talking about what a good job” — sorry — “job she did.”

Q  Okay. And what else did you put a check by?

A  “Donald Trump was also a good friend of Jeffrey’s. He didn’t partake in any sex with any of us but he flirted with me. He’d laugh and tell Jeffrey, ‘you’ve got the life.’”

Q  Other than the three you’ve just mentioned —

A  Yeah.

Q — everything else on here is absolutely accurate?

MS. MCCAWLEY: Objection.

A  Yes. Well, to the best of my recollection, yes.

Q  (BY MS. MENNINGER) All right. What is inaccurate about, “I’d have been about 17 at the time. I flew to the Caribbean with Jeffrey and then Ghislaine Maxwell went to pick up Bill in a huge black helicopter that Jeffrey had bought her”?

A  Because it makes it kind of sound like an eyewitness thing.

Q  Okay. Did you say that statement to Sharon Churcher? 

A  I said to Sharon that Ghislaine told me that she flew Bill in the heli- — the black helicopter that Jeffrey bought her, and I just wanted to clarify that I didn’t actually see her do that. I heard from Ghislaine that she did that.

Q  You heard that from Ghislaine, and then you reported to Sharon Churcher that you had heard that from Ghislaine.

A  Correct.

MS. MCCAWLEY: Objection.

A  I heard a lot of things from Ghislaine that sounded too true — too outrageous to be true, but you never knew what to believe, so…

Q  (BY MS. MENNINGER) Okay. And after Sharon Churcher printed what she said you said, did you complain to her that it was inaccurate?

A  I might have verbally with her, but again, I didn’t see a point in making a hissy over it because what was done was done. She had already printed.

Q  What was inaccurate about, “I used to get frightened flying with her but Bill” said — “had the Secret Service with him and I remember him talking about what a good job she did”?

A  I just don’t remember saying that to her.  I don’t remember saying I remember him talking about what a good job she did.

Q  All right.

A  I just don’t remember that at all.

Q  Okay. And I guess, just to be clear, my questions wasn’t do you remember saying this to Sharon Churcher; my question is, is that statement accurate?

MS. MCCAWLEY: Well, objection.

Q  (BY MS. MENNINGER) Did you used to get frightened flying with her?

A  Yes.

Q  Okay. Did Bill have the Secret Service with him?

A  They were there, but not like on the — not where we were eating.

Q  Do you remember Bill talking about what a good job she did?

A  I don’t remember that.

Q  So what is inaccurate about that statement?

A  I just — it’s inaccurate because I don’t remember him talking about what a good job she did. I don’t remember that.

Q  Does it inaccurately suggest that Bill had the Secret Service with him on a helicopter?

MS. MCCAWLEY: Objection.

A  Well, not being an eyewitness to it, I wouldn’t be able to tell you. I can’t tell you what I don’t know.

Q  (BY MS. MENNINGER) And do you believe you said that statement to Sharon Churcher?

A  I mean, Sharon and I talked a lot, and if she misheard me or just wrote it in the way that she thought she should, I have no control over that. So I’m not too sure.

Q  Did she record your interviews?

A  Some of them. Some of them she didn’t. I mean, we, like — we, like, met for like a week, and we spent a lot of time together, and then even after that we just continued, like, kind of a friendship.

Q  All right. What’s inaccurate about the last statement on that page?

A  “Donald Trump was also a good friend of Jeffrey’s.” That part is true.

“He didn’t partake in any” of — “any sex with any of us but he flirted with me.” It’s true that he didn’t partake in any sex with us, and but it’s not true that he flirted with me. Donald Trump never flirted with me. Then the next sentence is, “He’d laugh and tell Jeffrey, ‘you’ve got the life.'” I never said that to her.

Q  When you say, “he didn’t partake in any 8 sex with any of us,” who is “us”?

A  Girls. Just —

Q  How do you know who Donald Trump — Trump had sex with?

A  Oh, I didn’t physically see him have sex with any of the girls, so I can’t say who he had sex with in his whole life or not, but I just know it wasn’t with me when I was with other girls.

Q  And who were the other girls that you were with in Donald Trump’s presence?

A  None. There — I worked for Donald Trump, and I’ve met him probably a few times.

Q  When have you met him?

A  At Mar-a-Lago. My dad and him, I wouldn’t say they were friends, but my dad knew him and they would talk all the time — well, not all the time but when they saw each other.

Q  Have you ever been in Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein’s presence with one another?

A  No. 

Here I END of this set of referenced remarks.  The end point is page 444.


Q When was this conversation with the FBI?

A  After Sharon printed the articles, the first articles that came out. I don’t know how many she printed, but when the first articles came out, after that the FBI contacted me.

PAGE 454

Q   What’s the next one you have a checkmark by?

A  “I also saw Prince Andrew at a Ranch in 12 New Mexico.”

Q  Did you tell that to Sharon Churcher?

A  No. And I think it’s a mistake. Maybe she meant somewhere else, but because we had been talking about so much, maybe she just put New Mexico.  I don’t think Sharon intentionally lied on any of these. I just — I think we talked so much over a period of a week, and then after that we had phone conversations, and so on and so forth, that some of the information just got misheard or mishandled, or whatever.

It’s easy to say one set of poor reporting, even reporting that involves crimes of two Presidents of the United States, even reporting that resulted in FBI questioning of crimes that implicated or exonerated two Presidents, is no big deal.  But it tends to fit a pattern of media manipulation that favored Donald Trump at the expense of both Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Clinton.  For instance, in the run-up to the 2016 election, I would like to draw your attention to: 


When I first researched Jeffrey Epstein shortly after Katie Johnson filed her rape lawsuit against Epstein and Trump on April 26, 2016, I found that Conchita Sarnoff was a widely-quoted authority on Epstein’s crimes.  In the FBI files released on Jeffrey Epstein, some of Conchita’s articles, published in July 2010, were photocopied and included in Epstein’s FBI file (File 3, pages 72-78).  Shortly before “Katie Johnson’s” lawsuit, Conchita had independently published a book TrafficKing on April 18, 2016 (according to Amazon).  The “synopsis,” as described on, reads in part: 

The story explores the darkest recesses of the corridors of power, from Harvard to the White House. Conchita Sarnoff, an investigative journalist, who despite bribes to stay silent, risked her life to expose the brutal reality of human trafficking and the Jeffrey E. Epstein case…

The revelations in this book could have serious implications in the upcoming 2016 Presidential elections.

I didn’t buy the book, but I did listen to two interviews which Conchita gave to Russia Today and Ed Opperman shortly after Conchita’s book was published and “Katie’s” lawsuit was filed.  which were published on youtube.  I’m going to post the links to the interviews. I transcribed a good bit of it for this article, so if there are any errors in it, that’s my fault.  It’s a lot of material but I want the context included for the reader.   First I will quote her statements in these interviews, and then below the transcriptions of excerpts of these interviews I’m going to take issue with her statements.  Again, I think the context is there, but it’s always your responsibility to check original sourcing and context.  I encourage you to listen to the interviews yourself.

Conchita Sarnoff on Russia Today:   April 29, 2016

Beginning at 6:41 in the video:

Conchita:  So, you know, here we have this one victim who claims, and I would like if you permit me, to read you from her testimony.  She gave a testimony to two attorneys, Jack Scarola, who represented Brad Edwards, and Brad Edwards from Florida, both attorneys from Florida, who has represented multiple victims.  And I’m going to read you from her file, from her testimony because I think it reads best and so according to this girl, Jack Scarola asks Virginia Louise Roberts ‘can you give me an estimate as to the number of friends for whom Jeffrey provided and paid for your services?’  That means her services as a escort, if you like, as a prostitute, for these men.  She says, Virginia responds, “There was about, you know, I don’t know eight guys possibly.’  The attorney asks her ‘and are you able to name those people for me?’  And she responds ‘no, not at this stage.  I just, some of these people are really influential in power and I don’t want to start another shit storm with a few of them.  I’ll tell you that there was some erotic massages given to, but I’m just afraid.  I’m too afraid to tell you.  So then he goes on and he asks her multiple questions, and towards the end of that testimony, he asks her about the former President Bill Clinton.  And she says that she, there was sexual conduct and foreplay and there was a bed on Epstein’s jet, and she goes on to say what they did, which is not important, well you know, we don’t need to discuss that.  And then when Scarola asks her, well when you say here, what do you mean by here, and she says, because he asks her where the former President Clinton is, and she places the former President on the Island, meaning in the USVI, which is the United States Virgin Islands where Jeffrey Epstein has his primary residence.  And so she says, in the testimony she says, forgive me, Scarola says ‘when you say you asked him why is Bill Clinton here, where was here?’  Virginia responds, “On the Island.’   And then the attorney asks her ‘When you were present with Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Clinton on the island, who else was there?’  And Virginia answers Ghislaine, that is Ghislaine Maxwell,   Emmy, Emmy Taylor, another victim, and there was two young girls that I could identify.  I never really knew them well anyways.  It was two girls from New York.  And then the attorney asks her, ‘And were all of you staying at Jeffrey’s house on the island, including Bill Clinton?  And she responds, ‘that is correct.  He had about four or five different villas on his island, separate from the main house, and we all stayed in the villas.’  So, you draw the conclusion.  I mean she certainly doesn’t say that Bill Clinton sexually molested her, she certainly does not say that Bill Clinton molested the girls…. 

That’s the END of what I transcribed, at the 10:22 mark.  The interview continued for several more minutes.   Moving on to the second interview:

Conchita Sarnoff on the Opperman Report May 16, 2016

Beginning at 17:12 in the video:

Conchita:  I believe that Mr., the reason that Mr. Trump has been included in this case, first of all, none of the files that I have read, and I have read thousands of files, that is court files, depositions, sworn testimony.  I have spoken to the Chief of Police of Palm Beach, who was the one who arrested Mr. Epstein, and who started the case.  I’ve even  spoken with, several times with, to the prosecutor who prosecuted Mr. Epstein, who wrote a letter that I published on the Daily Beast on March 25, 2011.  You can read it there, you can also read it in my book.  The prosecutor behind Epstein’s case, the Chief of Police, all have said, and the hundreds of law enforcement officials that I have spoken to, no one ever hinted at Mr. Trump.  I never heard anything about Mr. Trump.  Whether I agree or disagree with Mr. Trump’s political views, that’s not what we’re talking about here.  We are now talking about bringing in a presidential candidate in order, clearly, to make him seem as if he is as guilty as Mr. Epstein was found guilty, of something that I believe, given the files that I’ve read and the conversations I’ve had, I believe that Mr. Trump is not guilty of any criminal activity with this alleged victim named Katie Johnson.”  …”

Opperman:  On no, I don’t believe that one either, yeah that’s ridiculous, but the thing is…

Conchita:  Right, Katie Johnson, a woman somewhere in California, filed a case on April 26.

Opperman:  In Riverside, yeah we did a whole show, I did a whole show on that, so we don’t want to get too far off on that, but…

Conchita:  But no, I don’t believe, I think that the reason Mr. Trump is being brought forward.  It’s a political, clearly this is political

Opperman:  But with Trump, Virginia Roberts did work at Maralago for Trump and so did her father, and also too, and Trump too flew on Epstein’s plane, we have a deposition from Epstein’s brother…

Conchita:  Right, I understand.  And this is what I have.  I have, not only do I have the depositions that were given to me by a source, and forgive me not the depositions the pilot logs, that were given to me by a source, I also have the most recent pilot logs where, according to Fox News, former President Clinton flew on Epstein’s plane 26 times.  I had, in my count, only 17 times.  Well I now have been told and given proof that former President Clinton flew 26 times.  But notwithstanding, I believe that even though Virginia Louise Roberts worked for Mr. Trump’s organization as did her father, he was the maintenance manager and Virginia Roberts was, I believe, a bathroom attendant, which is where Mrs. Maxwell meets her and finds her at Maralago, that clearly (laughs) doesn’t implicate Mr. Trump as someone who abused victims, I mean that just means that, you know, he as a matter of fact immediately asked Mr. Epstein to remove himself as a member the moment that Mr. Trump found out that Mr. Epstein had been indicted, his membership to his club was blocked.”

END of transcription at 20:41.  The interview continued for many minutes.

OK.  Let me pause here and make a few observations.  In the Russia Today interview, Conchita Sarnoff referred to one of Epstein’s victims as a prostitute in a backhanded manner.   Although she referenced someone else saying that Virginia had provided services, she didn’t have to say “That means her services as a escort, if you like, as a prostitute.”  That was her choice of words.  I was struck by the crude reference to Virginia, recruited from Maralago at the age of 15, from the “executive director of the Alliance to Rescue Victims of Trafficking.”  

Epstein, by all accounts, had a large number of victims.  There’s not a definitive source on how many to this day.  In the interview with Opperman, Conchita says “I believe, given the files that I’ve read and the conversations I’ve had, I believe that Mr. Trump was not guilty of any criminal activity with this alleged victim named Katie Johnson.”  Then she immediately, immediately, starts talking about Bill Clinton’s flights on Epstein plane.  Conchita didn’t reference any information concerning Epstein’s victim “Katie Johnson,” who was using a pseudonym- not any conversations involving the plaintiff, not any files she viewed which involved the plaintiff, nothing.  She could only refer to Katie as “someone from California.”  How could whatever “files and conversations” that Conchita Sarnoff inspected, which she referenced involving Bill Clinton, possibly disprove that the alleged crime involving Donald Trump in 1994 did not happen?  (“Katie” dated the rapes as “summer of 1994” when she refiled her lawsuit in New York).  

I don’t see any reason to defend Donald Trump in this manner other than to, well, defend him for the same reason she described in the Opperman interview that she said Trump was “brought forward.”   “clearly this is political.”  

Let’s look at some text in Katie Johnson’s April 26, 2016 lawsuit.   This text will simply highlight the fact that an eyewitness, Tiffany Doe, had agreed to testify on behalf of Katie Johnson in the April 2016 lawsuit.  Then I’ll summarize my concerns about Conchita’s reporting and opinions below that and move on again.

“Tiffany Doe, a former trusted employee of the Defendant, Jeffrey E. Epstein, has agreed to provide sworn testimony in this civil case and any other civil or criminal proceedings, fully verifying the authenticity of the Plaintiff, Katie Johnson.”   

“Witness Tiffany Doe was employed by the Defendant, Jeffrey E. Epstein, for more than 10 years as a party planner for his underage sex parties.  Tiffany Doe was physically present at each of the four occasions of sexual abuse by Defendant Trump upon the person of plaintiff Johnson, as it was her job to witness all of the sexual escapades of Defendant Epstein’s guests at these underage sex parties and later reveal all of the sordid details to Defendant Jeffrey Epstein.”         

“Tiffany Doe will testify to the fact that the Plaintiff, Katie Johnson, was extremely fortunate to have survived all of the physical and sexual horrors inflicted upon her by Defendants Epstein and Trump.” 

After reading the above text from “Katie Johnson’s” lawsuit, let me draw you back to a statement Conchita made in the Russia Today interview on April 29, 2016, three days after this lawsuit was filed:  “So you draw the conclusion.  I mean she (Virginia Roberts Giuffre) certainly doesn’t say that Bill Clinton sexually molested her.”  Yet quite obviously, “Katie Johnson” did say that Donald Trump raped her in no uncertain terms. 

My brief summary of Conchita’s interviews which I have referenced is as follows:   Conchita strongly implied that Bill Clinton was guilty of statutory rape with Virginia Roberts, despite Conchita herself noting that Virginia did not make the claim.   Conchita also said that she did not believe Katie Johnson’s claims despite Katie’s direct, detailed, graphic, written claim of not only statutory rape, but also forcible rape, and the willingness of a 10-year employee of Jeffrey Epstein to testify as an eyewitness.  This started on Russia Today three days after Katie filed her lawsuit.  As Conchita said, “So you draw the conclusion.”  Moving on.


It’s not a big “scoop,” as Rachel Maddow would say, to say that Donald Trump betrayed his partner in crime Jeffrey Epstein.  Bradly Edwards, attorney for several of Epstein’s victims, said it in what I believe is a plain manner on July 9, 2019.

Bradley Edwards comment on Trump: 

“He is the only person, who in 2009 when I served a lot of subpoenas, on a lot of people, or at least gave notice to some pretty connected people that I wanted to talk to them, he is the only person who picked up the phone and said ‘Let’s just talk.  I’ll give you as much time as you want.  I’ll tell you what you need to know,’ and was very helpful in the information that he gave, and gave no indication whatsoever that he was involved in anything untoward whatsoever, but had good information that checked out and that helped us.  And we didn’t have to take a deposition of him.” 

As I previously reported, Edwards questioned Adriana Ross about removing computers from Epstein’s Palm Beach home before the Palm Beach Police Department raided it.  Edwards also asked Ross if Sandy Berger, former National Security Advisor for President Clinton, had tipped off Epstein.  I can’t say for a fact that Trump gave Edwards information which led to the questions implying that Sandy Berger had tipped off Epstein, but like Edwards said, Trump was very helpful.  I can’t think of another person who would have access to the level of information (even without clearance) that led to Edwards line of questioning.  When Edwards said that Trump was “the only person” willing to help him out, that’s saying a lot, assuming Edwards wasn’t on a fishing expedition based on nothing, which I really doubt.  Trump was close to both Bill and Jeff.  There’s absolutely nothing wrong with Trump giving up Clinton and Epstein.  The problem is, it all seems like an effort to sell others out to protect himself and later run for the White House.  Now let’s move on to where the falling out appears to have originated and why.


The Washington Post reported on an auction for the property Maison de L’Amitie which Epstein and Trump each participated in.  This auction appears to have been the start of a falling out between the two, based on the following:  The Post reported that there were no public sightings of the two together after this auction in November 2004.  Trump said on July 9, 2019, a day after the government’s indictment against Jeffrey Epstein was unsealed in Southern District of New York,  that he hadn’t spoken to him in 15 years after they had a falling out.  Bradley Edwards said that Trump was helpful in providing information to him on Epstein in 2009, so it’s not a stretch to think that Trump was helpful in providing information to the Palm Beach police department in 2004, especially since Trump’s reference to the falling out occurring 15 years ago dovetails so nicely with the 2004 auction date on the property.    

The text below is all I’m going to directly quote from the WaPo article.  Then I’ll dig into the property auction which seemed to start the conflict between Trump and Epstein and finish my article.

On Nov. 28, 2004 — less than two weeks after the mansion auction — Palm Beach police fielded a tip that young women were seen coming and going from Epstein’s home, then-Police Chief Michael Reiter said in a deposition. Reiter declined to comment.

If you assume that the falling out between Trump and Epstein did start in 2004 after this auction, like I do, it raises an interesting question:  what in the world was so important about this property that it would lead to a falling out between the two rapists?  Let’s start with some history of the property.

Wikipedia says that Lex Wexner bought the Maison de L’Amitie in May 1, 1985 for $10 Million, and owned it until he sold it on May 28, 1988 Abraham “Abe” D. Gosman for around $12 Million.  Gosman in turn filed bankruptcy in 2003, and the property was auctioned in 2004 when Donald Trump bought it for $41.35 Million. 

Trump later sold Maison de L’Amitie to Dmitry Rybolovlev for $95 Million on July 8, 2008.  I’ve seen people all over Twitter surmise that this was a method of money laundering to Trump, and I believed that too for awhile.   But since this apparent falling out between Trump and Epstein over this property has come to light, I look at things differently.  

Wexner’s involvement with Epstein looks like it began around 1986-87, and Trump’s friendship with Epstein began around 1987, according to Trump.  Roy Cohn acquired AIDS in 1984 and died from it in 1986.  Like I said before, I don’t believe “Epstein’s network” magically sprang to life in April, 1988 when Epstein purchased Little St. James Island.  I believe Epstein joined an existing network.  Let’s talk a little bit about the period when Wexner owned this mansion, 1985-1988.  And this will be a hard transition.

Nelly Patterson Webb says she saw George Bush at 2 sex parties in 1986- Chicago and DC.  I’m referencing a report by the late John DeCamp In “The Franklin Coverup.  This report also describes rape of children, murder, satanism, and human sacrifice.   Yes that’s what I said.  I’m not going to get into it more than that right now.  Read it yourself.

“Trance Formation of America,” was published 1991, (Page 1 in the book), also involved many politicians including Presidents Reagan and Bush 41.  This is my brief overview of just a few of the many things Cathy O’Brien made detailed claims about, some of which I noted with page numbers: 

  • Cathy O’Brien’s young daughter, Kelly Cox, was raped repeatedly by Bush and Reagan; 
  • Cathy was raped by Cheney; 
  • Cathy and Kelly were survivors of the “MK Ultra” program, and were trained for sexual purposes; 
  • Cathy’s efforts to get the CIA to acknowledge her name in any records they have (which CIA said they could not find in a letter replying to her dated July 17, 1991 (Page 55));
  • The O’Briens documented therapy to recover from the trauma, including a doctor’s physical examination of her daughter at age 10 which did show abuse (Page 49); 
  • Cathy witnessed what she believed to be other female MK Ultra victims, who had reached an age to old to be useful, ritually sacrificed at “Bohemian Grove.” 
  • The first dated reference I noted was Fall of 1982 involving what I noted as “Cathy O’Brien provided to Ronald Reagan by Senator Robert Byrd.” (Page 127).

Now I know that’s a lot to take in, and no one’s talking about anything but Epstein right now.  And once again, all I’m saying is that the network didn’t just spring to life on Little St. Jeff.  Let’s just agree that the entire scope and history of whatever network this is, no matter how many Presidents it involves, no matter the level of US government involvement, needs to be investigated, can we do that, America?  

The summary I gave of “Trance Formation of America” was obtained from a now-dead link which I believe was an accurate copy of this book, co-authored by Mark Phillips and Cathy O’Brien, for sale on Amazon.  That link is not going to work, but I made a few notes when I read the link online some time ago.  I just want to be as clear as possible exactly what my sourcing is.  Again, I believe the information I reference to be in the same book Trance Formation of America for sale on Amazon, but having not seen the actual book, I cannot say for sure.  If anyone knows of anything I’ve written here or anywhere else, for that matter, is incorrectly referenced, let me know in the comment section and I’ll change it.

Now with that unpleasantness out of the way, getting back to the Maison de L’Amitie property, I ask the question:  what was going on at this property in the period when Les Wexner owned it 1985-1988?   

A common theory today about how Epstein’s network operated involved Epstein videotaping politicians and VIPs in criminal or embarrassing situations.  And I believe that’s very true.  Donald Trump bought the Maison de L’Amitie and “renovated” it, as reported by Politico, which would be sufficient cover to remove and hidden surveillance cameras if they existed, and if Trump wanted to do such a thing.  I’m purely speculating here, like we all are to an extent, in the absence of a legitimate investigation into the entirety of Epstein’s network, although that might be changing after the FBI raided Little St James August 12, 2019. 

If you want to dig a little deeper into conspiracy land, maybe that’s what the “backhoe loader and dump trucks” later used to demolish the Maison de L’Amitie property were also doing, digging.  I mean, $95 Million seems to be priced high just for the real estate plus the expenses of demolishing the home which Rybolovlev had to pay.  Not that the property wasn’t worth it, and someone good with real estate couldn’t make money on a new property, it’s just that the property was previously purchased for way less (Trump paid $41.35 Million, Wexner paid $10 Million), and then a Russian gets the property and brings in heavy equipment.  So Trump may have not only sold the real estate, but also any blackmail material contained on the property.  And if that material was in the dirt, you get the picture.  And then the roughly $50 Million real estate profit looks more like a profit for services rendered than money laundering.  Again, that’s all speculation. 

In the power struggle between Epstein and Trump over who controlled the property Maison de L’Amitie, it wasn’t a close contest with Epstein being arrested, sentenced, investigated by the FBI, later re-arrested, and then dead in a jail cell while Trump ascended to the White House.  And everyone thinks Epstein could have given up Trump and Clinton.  Really.

I’m going to wrap this up.  If you’re one of the millions of people like me who have wondered why in the hell the Bush II Administration would cover for the likes of Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, Donald Trump and Jeff Epstein, I suggest that you raise the “two Presidents involved” theory to four Presidents.   


Who could Bill give up?



Jeffrey Epstein, The Clintons, Donald Trump, Ghislaine Maxwell, Prince Andrew and Lynn Forester de Rothschild

Trying to keep this timeline updated. Lots of news keeps filling in the gaps.

March 12, 1983. Lynn Forester weds Andrew Stein. In attendance are Donald Trump, Roy Cohn, and Ron Perelman among others.

November 28, 1988. Donald Trump attends event honoring Andrew Stein in New York. Also pictured is Stein’s wife, Evelyn Forester.

May 17, 1989. Donald Trump, Robert Maxwell, and Ghislaine Maxwell attend a function on the Lady Ghislaine.

November 5, 1991. Robert Maxwell is dead. Ghislaine Maxwell is distraught.

Sometime in 1992, Jeff Epstein “saved” Ghislaine Maxwell when they met a party, according to this article.

Sometime in 1992, Trump and Epstein arranged for 28 girls to come to a “calendar girl” competition.  Unclear if this is the November 1992 party.

November 1992, Trump, Epstein, and Ghislaine Maxwell are together at a party at Maralago. Reported to be NFL cheerleaders.

February 1993. Jeff Epstein and Ghislaine are together at the opening of MercBar.

February 22, 1993. Jeff Epstein’s Zorro Trust acquires land that will become his Zorro Ranch.

March 1993, “Maria” was kidnapped in front of Nash Pizza, according to this excellent report by justice-integrity.  Maria was a 12-year old girl described in the rape lawsuit of “Katie Johnson” (using an alias) against Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein.

April 2, 1993, Tony August requests an introduction of Donald Trump to Bill Clinton in a letter.

August 3, 1993. Lynn Forester and Andrew Stein announce they will divorce. Stein had withdraw from politics a few weeks previously. From Vanity Fair: “Epstein also said that his friend Lynn Forester, now married to billionaire Evelyn de Rothschild, needed his financial help during her 1990s divorce from politician Andrew Stein, and that he had graciously floated her.” 

September 28, 1993.  Jeff Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell are guests at a White House Donor’s reception.  They donate $10,000 and receive a thank you letter from the White House dated October 4, 1993.

White House Donors Reception September 29, 1993 Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell
White House Donor receipt letter to Epstein October 4, 1993

The Summer of 1994, Jeff Epstein and Donald Trump rape Katie Johnson and Maria, according to Katie’s lawsuit.   

August 1994- there are 3 photos of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton at a fundraiser in New York, which the Clinton Presidential Library refused to release.   

March 1995, Bill Clinton has dinner at home of Ron Perelman in Palm Beach, FL. Epstein is there as well. 

April 27, 1995. Lynn Forester (not married to Evelyn Rothschild until 2000) writes to Bill Clinton and mentions Jeffrey Epstein.

Sarah Merians took an intriguing photograph of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton at Trump’s Plaza Hotel in New York. The date on her blog was 1.8.16, where Merians wrote “This photo is from an event I photographed approximately 20 years ago at The Plaza Hotel.” So that puts the date around January 1996.  I’ve tried without success to determine what the occasion was for Hillary Clinton’s visit to Trump’s Plaza Hotel, without success, although I think some of the research is interesting enough to share here.

Hillary, Trump, date?

At different times, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump attended the Nutcracker ballet in New York. The Daily Mail reported that Chelsea Clinton performed at the ballet in 1993 and 1996.   According to Macaulay Culkin, Donald Trump attended the Nutcracker in 1988, where Donald introduced Macaulay to Michael Jackson (1:07:55 mark).  Ivanka Trump also performed in the Nutcracker in both 1989 and 1990, and said that Michael Jackson attended one of the performances, and her father arranged for Michael’s ticket. ) Patronage and participation in The Nutcracker ballet in New York is a tradition in both the Trump and Clinton families.  Did Hillary and Bill travel there together?  Trump liked to hold modeling contests with underaged girls there at the Plaza Hotel as well, like this one with John Casablancas in May 1991, and this one, with his daughter in attendance, in August 1, 1991.  I would like to hear Sarah Merians tell us the occasion for which Hillary visited Donald that day.

Summer 1996. Lynn Forester introduces Alan Dershowitiz to Jeffrey Epstein. The occasion was the 59th birthday party for Les Wexner.

January 1997 flight logs show Donald Trump on a flight with Epstein from Palm Beach to Newark, NJ, on one of Epstein’s planes, as reported by Politico

January 1, 1997. The Clintons arrive in the Virgin Islands.

April 1997. Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein attend Victoria’s Secret angels party at the Laura Belle club in New York City. Victoria’s Secret was bought by Lex Wexner in 1982.

A May of 1997 New Yorker article references Ghislaine Maxwell as flying on Trump’s 727.

A photograph dated October 29, 1997 shows Trump and Ghislaine “out on the town in New York.”  This event was Ford Models 50th Anniversary party.

Ghislaine Maxwell Donald Trump Ford Models 50th Anniversary
Donald Trump and Ghislain Maxwell

Sometime in the late 90s, according to Mark Epstein (Jeff Epstein’s brother), Mark met Donald Trump on a flight from Florida to New York on an airplane belonging to Jeffrey, but it wasn’t the 727 (pages 72-74).

In April 1998, Jeff Epstein bought Little St. James island.   Previously in January of both 1997 and 1998, the Clinton’s vacationed in the Virgin Islands.

Hillary and Bill Virgin Islands   1.4.98

May 14-17, 1998. Lynn Forester is introduced to her future husband Evelyn de Rothschild at a Bilderberg conference in Scotland by Henry Kissinger.

August 27 1998, Donald Trump said that “Paula Jones is a loser” and that Bill Clinton should have exercised his 5th Amendment rights.

September 25, 1998. Lynn Forester flies on Jeffrey Epstein’s plane.

In 1998-99, Virginia Roberts, age 14-15, was working at Donald Trump’s Maralago in the “changing room” when she was recruited by Ghislaine Maxwell to go to Jeff Epstein’s home a few blocks away.  She later filed suit against Ghislaine Maxwell.  In addition to details of Virginia’s employment at Trump’s Maralago, that suit also references later incidents with Prince Andrew, Bill Richardson, Alan Dershowitz, Bill Mitchell and others.

Sometime in 1999, there is the origination of the incident where Trump later said he barred Jeffrey Epstein from Maralago for an incident involving Epstein and an underaged girl. In an article published by Gossip Extra, October 30, 2016, Vada Mossavat referenced this unspecified incident in a book written by James Patterson. Patterson’s book seems to be the original source reference.

August 7, 1999, we have what appears to be a reference to “KILLARY” listed on the flight logs of Epstein’s 727 from Teterboro, NJ to Palm Beach and back again.  (Page 41)

August 27, 1999. Bill Clinton, Sir Evelyn Rothschild and Prince Andrew golf at Martha’s Vineyard. Bill says, “You know what the bet is don’t you? If he beats me we have to give him back the island.”

2.12.00. Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein, Prince Andrew, and Ghislaine Maxwell are at a Maralago party.   The Washington Post said the occasion was a celebrity tennis tournament.   I noticed that the party was close to Prince Andrew’s 40th birthday (which he also celebrated a week later with his ex-wife and daughters in London).  Note the appearance of everyone’s eyes.

From left, American real estate developer Donald Trump and his girlfriend (and future wife), former model Melania Knauss, financier (and future convicted sex offender) Jeffrey Epstein, and British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell pose together at the Mar-a-Lago club, Palm Beach, Florida, February 12, 2000. (Photo by Davidoff Studios/Getty Images)

May 12, 2000. Prince Andrew flies from the St. Thomas, US Virgin Islands airport to the Teterboro, NJ airport on Epstein’s Gulfstream G-1159. Epstein’s jets never landed at Little St. James. They would fly to St. Thomas, then go over to Little St. James by helicopter, boat, or perhaps even a submarine. Andrew likely flew down with Epstein et al on May 7, 2000, but the text of passengers on that day is illegible.

June 2000. Prince Andrew and Ghislaine Maxwell attend Ascot races.

June 16, 2000. Bill Clinton attends fundraiser at Trump Tower for Rep. Ed Towns (D-N.Y.)

Clinton Trump June 2000

September 8, 2000. Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Melania, and Kylie Bax at US Open.  (30). These are interesting photos. Trump introduces Clinton to Kylie Bax, but when they take the group photo, Melania is on Bill’s arm. FYI, Trump was with Kylie and Melania a few days before, and Donald didn’t marry Melania until 2005.

Donald Trump with girlfriend Melania Knauss (left) and Kylie Bax (right). (Photo by Steve Azzara/Corbis via Getty Images)

September 9, 2000. Prince Andrew and Ghislaine Maxwell attend a wedding for Aurelia Cecil and and Rupert Stephenson. They don’t look too happy for some reason. Maybe it’s because she has to stay three paces behind him. They leave in the same car though.

October, 2000. Lynn Forester sells a Manhattan townhouse to Jeff Epstein’s company. This article suggests that Ghislaine Maxwell lived here.

October 31, 2000. Prince Andrew, Donald Trump and Melania attend the opening of Hudson Hotel in New York.

More of that goofy look again.

October 31, 2000. Prince Andrew, Ghislaine Maxwell attend Heidi Klum’s “Hookers and Pimps” party in Manhattan. Prince Andrew’s suit matches the one on the other photos with Trump and Melania also dated Halloween 2000.

Ghislaine Maxwell was with Donald Trump and Melania that evening. The location of the photograph is unclear.

November 30, 2000. Lynn Forester weds Evelyn de Rothschild in London. “Sir Evelyn and Lady de Rothschild spent part of their honeymoon in the White House, a stay during which Bill Clinton told the couple that Sir Evelyn was the first Brit to be so invited since Winston Churchill..”

At a date I believe to be around late 2000:  Virginia Roberts, in an affidavit in which she sought to join a suit against the US with other Jane Does because the US violated the CVRA, said that “(Bill) Clinton was present on the island at a time when I was also present on the island, but I have never had sexual relations with Clinton, nor have I ever claimed to have had such relations.  I have never seen him have sexual relations with anyone.  (Page 56)   She said one page one of that affidavit that her birthday was August, 1983.  Virginia told the Daily Mail in 2011 that “‘I’d have been about 17 at the time,’ she said: ‘I flew to the Caribbean with Jeffrey and then Ghislaine Maxwell went to pick up Bill in a huge black helicopter that Jeffrey had bought her.'”  So by that math, she would have met Bill Clinton around August, 2000.  Further, she told the Mail that Bill was joined for dinner by two girls:  “I’d say they were no older than 17.”  Although the location Ghislaine flew to pick then President Clinton up in her helicopter is unclear, the Clintons were reported to have vacationed in the Virgin Islands in 2000.  This link, which once showed details of that 2000 vacation, has been edited since I first looked at it to remove the date and other information.  Further supporting the 2000 date, in recently released documents which accompanied Virginia’s suit against Ghislaine, she mentions the dinner as well, and also said she met Al Gore.  “Then l met Al Gore and his lovely wife during one of those many weekends away in the Caribbean.”  (Page 56)  Al Gore was reported to have returned from a vacation in the Virgin Islands on December 19, 2000, which was 8 days after Anton Scalia and the Supreme Court voted 5-4 to stop the recount of votes in Florida, handing the White House to George Bush.

December 8, 2000. Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell fly into the Royal Air Force base Marham and stay at the Queen’s country estate in  Sandringham as guests of Prince Andrew.

Late 2000: Prince Andrew on a yacht in Thailand with women provided by Jeffrey Epstein.

Early 2001. Prince Andrew is a guest at Epstein’s ranch in New Mexico.

March 2001, Virginia Roberts pictured with Ghislaine Maxwell and Prince Andrew in London.  According to Virginia, “the picture was developed on March 13, 2001, and was taken sometime shortly before I had it developed.” 

Virginia, Prince Andrew, Ghislaine

October 9, 2001. After 9/11, Bill Clinton and Donald Trump attend an event to benefit the Twin Towers Fund and the New York Police and Fire Widows and Children’s Benefit Fund.

February 9, 2002 (page 4) is the first listed flight of Bill Clinton on Epstein’s 727.  The flight is from Palm Beach to Miami, then Miami to the Westchester County airport in New York. On the flight with Bill are Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, Sarah Kellen, 4 Secret Service, “AP,” 1 Male and 2 Female.

March 17-19, 2002. Another flight of Bill Clinton with Jeff Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, Doug Band and the Secret Service to London. The first leg of the flight on March 17 was from Palm Beach to JFK with 3 Secret Service, Doug Bands, Epstein, Sarah Kellen, Julie Todd, and 1 Female. When they got to JFK, the number of Secret Service personnel increased to 10 for the transatlantic flight to London. It looks like Naomi Campbell joined the flight to London. I wonder if Bill, Maxwell and Epstein went to see their friends Prince Andrew, Evelyn and Lynn Forester Rothschild while they were in London.

May 2002. Several flights of Epstein’s 727 that originated from Palm Beach on May 11, 2002. These flights only show Epstein, Ghislaine, and Sarah Kellen as passengers. They flew from Palm Beach to JFK, then to Paris, then London, then Nice France, then Russia.

On May 20, 2002, Epstein and co. pick up Bill Clinton in Russia and fly to Atsugi Naval Air Facility in Japan. Pete Rathgeb, Doug Bands, Janice, Jessica “& 6 PAX” also are listed as passengers. From there it’s to Hong Kong, China, Singapore, Thailand, and finally to Brunei by May 25. (Page 10) Below is a photo of Bill and Jeff on their way to Brunei.

Clinton and Epstein

Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, and Donald Trump are all connected to the Sultan of Brunei in ways that don’t appear to involve Epstein, and I think it’s worth a short tangent on the Sultan. 

The following paragraph largely is a summary of a FreeBeacon article:  The Clintons and the Sultan of Brunei Have a History.  The Sultan of Brunei was mixed up the IranContra affair somehow in 1986 with a banking issue that involved Oliver North, Elliot Abrams, and Citibank.  In November 1988, Donald Trump said on the Letterman show that he bought Adnan Khashoggi’s former yacht from the Sultan of Brunei. Trump: “I hate to admit it. Actually it was from the Sultan of Brunei, because it was security for a loan and a whole complicated thing.” In 1997, The Sultan “was sued by a former Miss USA who said she was held as a sex slave, drugged, and molested by Brunei’s royal family. The sultan and his brother Prince Jefri have become ‘infamous for their sex parties and their harems composed mainly of underage girls.’” In 2000, Bill Clinton traveled to Brunei with his daughter for an economic summit, which Vladimir Putin and Jiang Zemin (then China’s President) also attended, and announced “that his post-presidency would be about making money.”  The government of Brunei donated to the Clinton Foundation somewhere in the range of $1-5 Million in 2002. In 2005, Bill Clinton returned to Brunei to thank the Sultan for his donation.  In 2012, Hillary Clinton traveled to Brunei to “meet with senior officials to emphasize the importance of the increasingly vibrant U.S.-Brunei relationship.”

July 13, 2002. Epstein’s 727 picks Bill Clinton up at the Tangier, Morocco airport. Epstein’s plane had previously been at three different airports in France. Epstein, Ghislaine, Sarah Kellen, “AP,” and Cindy Lopez join Clinton, Doug Bands, Mike and 8 Secret Service to fly to Rabat Morocco, then the Santa Maria Islands (Portugal), then back to JFK.

November 11, 2002. Donald Trump and Ghislaine Maxwell attend a Dolce & Gabbana store opening. Also pictured, Naomi Campbell.

In 2003, Epstein had a dinner at his “East Side townhouse” in Manhattan. Donald Trump was reported to be there. The same report said Bill Clinton was supposed to be there, although he did not show. 

In January 2003, based on the dates of these photos, Donald and Bill both attended the “Gotham Magazine Anniversary Party at Cipriani in New York City,” although they were not photographed together in any photographs I found.

July 3, 2002. ” British socialites Sir Evelyn and Lynn De Rothschild and American former president and first lady Bill and Hillary Clinton arrive at the party to celebrate the launch of Hillary Clinton’s book ‘Hillary’ thrown by Lynn De Rothschild at the Orangery in Kensington Palace in London.” 

In November 15, 2004, as reported by the Washington Post, Trump and Epstein bid on the same property in Palm Beach.   Also November 2004, Trump called Epstein twice and left messages at his home in Palm Beach.  The Post noted that “On Nov. 28, 2004 — less than two weeks after the mansion auction — Palm Beach police fielded a tip that young women were seen coming and going from Epstein’s home, then-Police Chief Michael Reiter said in a deposition.”   Note that the Nov 2004 date matches up well with Trump’s recent comment that “I had a falling out with him a long time ago, I don’t think I’ve spoken to him for 15 years.”

January 22, 2005. Donald Trump marries Melania. “Hillary Clinton had a front-pew seat at the Episcopal Church of Bethesda-by-the-Sea in Palm Beach for the wedding.”  Bill came later to the reception at Maralago.  At this wedding, Paolo Zampolli said he was introduced to Bill Clinton by Huma Abedin. Paolo said he had met Bill “many, many, many” times. (45) In 2005, Trump was quoted on the Maralago webpage as saying that Hillary and Bill were a few of many celebrities who have enjoyed staying at the club. (46). Another time, Trump said that although Bill and Hillary stayed there, he couldn’t recall if they spent the night: “If they did want to stay there, or stayed there, it only shows that they have good taste.”

Clintons, Trump, Melania Wedding 2005

March 15, 2005, the Palm Beach PD begins an investigation of Jeffrey Epstein after a complaint from a mother.

July 15, 2006. Prince Andrew invites Jeff Epstein, Harvey Weinstein, and Ghislaine Maxwell to Windsor Castle.

July 25, 2006. Palm Beach Police Department executes a search warrant at Epstein’s home in 358 El Brillo Way in Palm Beach.

May 8, 2007. “Chelsea Clinton and Lady Lynn De Rothschild attend American Patrons of the Tate Artists Dinner at Riverfront Pavilion on May 8, 2007 in New York City.”

In a Page Six article dated October 14, 2007: “Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach last night confirmed a Web site report that Epstein has been banned there. Epstein denies he is banned from Mar-a-Lago and says, in fact, he was recently invited to an event there.” November of that same year, Epstein planned an expansion on Little St. James Island, as reported by NBC news, based on permit requests Epstein submitted to the Virgin Islands.

June 14, 2008, Trump, Clinton, Rudy Giuliani and others golf together at Trump National Golf Course.  Epstein began his “sentence” in July 1, 2008.

Trump Clinton Giuliani

October 1, 2008. Donald Trump and Ghislaine Maxwell attend Sloan Barnett’s “Green Goes With Everything” book party. Steve Mnuchin, Carolyn Zucker and Jeff Zucker are there as well.

December 29, 2008, “Hillary Clinton for President” has a $1000 donation from “Air Ghislaine,” the travel service of Ghislaine Maxwell.  In 2009, Ghislaine and Chelsea Clinton vacationed together on a yacht.

Sometime 2009. Ghislaine Maxwell vacations on a yacht with Chelsea Clinton.

In 2009, according to attorney Bradley Edwards, representing some of Epstein’s victims, he said Donald Trump was “the only person who picked up the phone and said: ‘Let’s just talk. I’ll give you as much time as you want. I’ll tell you what you need to know.’ ”

March 2009. The Fontinalla’s, staff at Jeffrey Epstein’s Manhattan townhouse, upload photos to Facebook of Bill Clinton. There is no date when the photos were taken. Other photos included John Kerry Prince Andrew, and Andrew’s ex-wife Sarah Ferguson. The Prince Andrew photos appear to be around the same date that the media reported him there in December 2010.

June 25, 2009, Bill Clinton and Donald Trump are back together again, this time at New York Police Athletic League dinner.  Stewart Rahr and Regis Philbin also pictured.

Trump, Clinton, Stewart Rahr at Police Athletic League.

September 22, 2009. Ghislaine Maxwell “was served with a subpoena on Sept. 22 at 6:45 p.m. as she was leaving the Clinton Global Initiatives Conference at the Sheraton Hotel.   Florida lawyer Brad Edwards, who represents three of the ‘Jane Does’ who are suing Epstein, told Page Six that Maxwell would be questioned over her knowledge of how Epstein procured many of the girls.” 

In a March 15, 2010 deposition, Bradley Edwards, the aforementioned lawyer, asked Adriana Ross if she and Bill Reilly (a lawyer for Roy Black, hired by Epstein), took computers from Epstein’s home before the Palm Beach PD raid. (Pages 114-115)   Edwards also questioned Ross about Sandy Berger. One of Edwards questioned to Ross:  “He (Berger) called the house within three weeks of the search warrant being executed. Did he tip off Jeffrey Epstein?” (Page 121).

Sandy Berger was Bill Clinton’s National Security Advisor from 1997-2001. Like Epstein, Berger received another sweetheart deal from the Bush Administration after he first removed a report on the “millennium terrorist threat” of 2000.  Mr. Berger: removed four additional versions of the same report (including some of his own notes on the subject); destroyed 3 of the copies; and lied to the FBI about it. For all of this, Berger was allowed to plead guilty to a misdemeanor, given probation, served no time and was allowed to have his security clearance restored after a period.

July 31, 2010, Ghislaine Maxwell attended Chelsea Clinton’s wedding. 

Ghislaine Maxwell Chelsea Clinton Wedding

December 6, 2010, Prince Andrew is photographed in Manhattan with Jeffrey Epstein after he completed his “sentence” in July 2009. There is fleeting video of him with Katherine Keating, the daughter of Paul Keating, Australia’s Prime Minister 1991-1996.

Epstein Prince Andrews Manhattan

December 19, 2012, Bill and Don are hanging out again, this time at the Miss Universe contest in Las Vegas.  Stewart Rahr and Michael Milken are also pictured.

Trump, Clinton, Melania. Stewart Rahr, Michael Milken, 121912LasVegas

And together one again, Trump and Clinton are both seated at Stewart Rawr’s table, who was the guest of honor at the Make-A-Wish Foundation gala on June 16, 2013.

December 1, 2013, Trump’s 757 is photographed parked next to Epstein’s Gulfstream at the Palm Beach airport.

Trump and Epsteins planes

February 27, 2015.  Donald Trump, responding to a question from Sean Hannity about his thoughts on Bill Clinton, responded: “Nice guy. Got a lot of problems coming up, in my opinion, with the famous island with Jeffrey Epstein. Lot of problems.” (22:58)

May 6, 2015.  The Daily Mail reports that Ghislaine Maxwell’s TerraMar project “is listed as a partner of the Clinton Global Initiative in the Sustainable Oceans Alliance.”

May 28, 2015. An email from Lynn Forester de Rothschild to Nick Merrill and Cheryl Mills supporting Hillary Clinton. This email was released by Wikileaks.

March 17, 2016. Ghislaine Maxwell is ordered by a court to turn over any correspondence between her and Jeffrey Epstein in to lawyers of Virginia Giuffre in a lawsuit of Giuffre against Maxwell.

April 26, 2016. In California, “Katie Johnson” files the first of her two rape lawsuits against Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein.. She later refiled the lawsuit in New York on June 20, 2016.

October 19, 2016.  In their final debate, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump have this exchange:

CLINTON: Well, that’s because he’d rather have a puppet as president of the United States.

TRUMP: No puppet. No puppet.

CLINTON: And it’s pretty clear…

TRUMP: You’re the puppet!

CLINTON: It’s pretty clear you won’t admit…

TRUMP: No, you’re the puppet.

May 24, 2017, Virginia Giuffre settles her lawsuit against Ghislaine Maxwell.

May 25, 2018.  Joseph Recarey, a lead detective for the Palm Beach PD who worked on the Epstein case, died “after a brief illness.  No other information about the cause of death was released.”

There has been a flurry of activity starting in July 2019.

  • July 3, a federal appeals court orders 167 documents unsealed in Giuffre’s lawsuit against Ghislaine.  July 6, Epstein is arrested on child sex trafficking charges.
  • July 6, 2019.  Epstein is arrested on sex trafficking charges.
  • July 8.  As quoted by USA Today, “A spokesman for former President Bill Clinton said Monday that Clinton ‘knows nothing’ about Jeffrey Epstein’s alleged crimes.”  The statement referenced to Angel Ureña‏ also says that Bill “has never been to Little St. James Island 
  • July 9:  As reported by Daily Beast, Alex Acosta told the Trump Transition team that “I was told Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’ and to leave it alone…”
  • Also July 9, as reported by Vanity Fair: “Trump said that Pecker had told him that the pictures of Clinton that Epstein had from his island were worse,” recalls a former Trump Organization employee.
  • July 12, Ghislaine Maxwell’s TerraMar Project is closed.  
  • July 21, a Politico article ties Ghislaine Maxwell to the Clinton Foundation via Ted Waitt.
  • July 26, Epstein’s pilots are subpoenaed.
  • August 09, the documents in Virginia Giuffre v Maxwell are released.
  • August 10, Jeffrey Epstein is dead in his jail cell.
  • August 10, Trump retweets BNL News:  “BREAKING: Documents were unsealed yesterday revealing that top Democrats, including Bill Clinton, took private trips to Jeffrey Epstein’s “pedophilia island”. 
  • August 10, Trump also retweets Terrence K Williams:  “Died of SUICIDE on 24/7 SUICIDE WATCH ? Yeah right! How does that happen.  #JefferyEpstein had information on Bill Clinton & now he’s dead”  I see #TrumpBodyCount trending but we know who did this!” 
  • August 10:  Attorney General William Barr announces an Inspector General investigation into Epstein’s death.
  • August 12, the FBI raid Little St. James Island.  
  • August 14, the Daily Mail reports that Ghislaine Maxwell has been located living in Massachusetts.

  • August 15, Multiple news outlets are reporting that Epstein’s autopsy found broken bones in his neck.
  • August 15:  Forbes reports “Jeffrey Epstein spent at least two hours locked up alone with a young woman, in a private room” after he was taken off suicide watch.
  • August 15: Reports of underground areas at Epstein’s ranch in New Mexico.
  • August 15: Ghislaine Maxwell is spotted reading a book on CIA spies at a restaurant.
  • August 16: Adriana Ross, a “co-conspirator,” cries when asked questions about her involvement with Jeffrey Epstein.
  • August 20: New lawsuit against Epstein’s estate.
  • September 29: Ari Ben-Menashe, former Mossad, said Epstein and Maxwell were collecting blackmail material for Mossad.
  • November 15: Amy Robach, reporter for ABC News, says they spiked her story on Epstein before the 2016 election.
  • November 19: Kathleen Sawyer, Director of Bureau of Prisons, says FBI is investigating a “criminal enterprise” in Epstein’s death in a federal facility.
  • November 21: Article on underground areas at Epstein’s Zorro Ranch in New Mexico.
  • December 4: Article that the Clinton family visited Epstein’s Zorro Ranch in New Mexico frequently.

To be continued, I’m sure.